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Industrial policy and public research are essential

The guest argued that industrial policy and public investment in research are necessary for innovation, economic resilience, and competing in the 21st century, countering decades of mainstream economic advice.

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CONTESTED · 92 MENTIONS · 66 EPISODES · 28 SHOWS

24 JUL 2025 — 17 AUG 2026 · YESTERDAY

36 SUPPORT · 5 CHALLENGE · 2 REPEAT · 49 MENTIONED

24 JUL 2025 · FIRST HEARD
THE ACQUIRERS PODCAST
- Ribosomal microfactories as a decentralized model
33 EPISODES BETWEEN · 48 MENTIONS · 6 NOT KEPT
1. 6 EPISODES NOT SHOWN
2. 6 SEP 2025
  SMARTERMARKETS · 2 MENTIONS
  - Chinese EV dominance reshaping global auto industry
  - US risks falling behind in energy transition · CHALLENGES
3. 18 SEP 2025
  MACROVOICES
  - US military rhetoric as budget justification
4. 25 SEP 2025 · CHALLENGES
  MACROVOICES
  - Supply-chain dependency makes decoupling from China impossible
5. 4 OCT 2025
  SMARTERMARKETS · 2 MENTIONS
  - Downstream industry pivot from China dependency
  - Geographic shift in climate solutions leadership
6. 16 OCT 2025
  MACROVOICES
  - Great-power shift to resilience drives inefficiency
7. 28 OCT 2025
  GOLDMAN SACHS EXCHANGES
  - Rare earths: China's leverage drives equity volatility
8. 5 NOV 2025
  GOLDMAN SACHS EXCHANGES
  - China's five-year plan prioritizes tech, manufacturing
9. 6 NOV 2025
  MACROVOICES · 4 MENTIONS
  - Geopolitical bifurcation as the new normal
  - Strategic sectors face full supply chain bifurcation
  - Forced allied investment in US reindustrialization
  - US weaponizing financial system and geography
10. 13 NOV 2025
  THE DERIVATIVE
  - China dominates global shipbuilding
11. 21 NOV 2025 · CHALLENGES
  VALUE INVESTING WITH LEGENDS
  - China's deflationary dumping aids Fed, hurts industrials
12. 24 NOV 2025
  MACRO MUSINGS WITH DAVID BECKWORTH
  - China's real estate bust frozen in place
13. 6 DEC 2025
  THE BUSINESS BREW
  - Structural caution on China
14. 8 DEC 2025
  THE GRANT WILLIAMS PODCAST · 2 MENTIONS
  - Bifurcation into US and China financial spheres
  - Gulf states caught between US security and China economics
15. 17 DEC 2025
  THE TIM FERRISS SHOW · 3 MENTIONS
  - US infrastructure hampered by lawyers, not engineers · CHALLENGES
  - China's hyper-competitive provincial capitalism
  - China's innovation and cost advantage is real
16. 27 DEC 2025
  SMARTERMARKETS · 2 MENTIONS
  - US must build mines or cede EV industry to China
  - China, Middle East, India driving renewable expansion
17. 14 JAN 2026
  FORWARD GUIDANCE
  - China's capital flight as a strategic weakness
18. 16 JAN 2026
  WHAT BITCOIN DID
  - Fed should not be independent
19. 17 JAN 2026
  SMARTERMARKETS · 2 MENTIONS
  - Power supercycle displaces oil as energy driver
  - Electrification driven by energy security, not carbon
20. 24 JAN 2026
  SMARTERMARKETS
  - Chinese control of critical materials
21. 29 JAN 2026
  THE BUSINESS BREW
  - Critical shortage of skilled process knowledge in US
22. 31 JAN 2026
  SMARTERMARKETS
  - Hoarding theme gaining momentum
23. 2 FEB 2026 · CHALLENGES
  CAPITAL ALLOCATORS
  - Chinese chemical overcapacity threatening global margins
24. 4 FEB 2026
  THE ALPHA EXCHANGE · 3 MENTIONS
  - China leapfrogged West in key industrial sectors
  - Geopolitical de-escalation as G2 framework
  - Higher commodity prices from China reflation
25. 9 FEB 2026
  THE GRANT WILLIAMS PODCAST
  - Europe's strategic vacuum amid US pivot
26. 9 FEB 2026
  THE MEB FABER SHOW
  - China's biotech rise as a global competitor
27. 13 FEB 2026
  THE GRANT WILLIAMS PODCAST
  - US political polarization undermines long-term strategy
28. 19 FEB 2026
  THE GRANT WILLIAMS PODCAST · 3 MENTIONS
  - China's sovereignty quest delays global market role
  - Geopolitical pivot crowds out consumer sectors
  - Bifurcated markets create new cost equilibriums
29. 25 FEB 2026
  WHAT BITCOIN DID
  - Aim: contain China, not crush it
30. 2 MAR 2026
  MACRO MUSINGS WITH DAVID BECKWORTH
  - Bretton Woods II: China's peg fueled hyper-globalization
31. 6 MAR 2026
  THE BUSINESS BREW · 2 MENTIONS
  - China as a regional power, not global hegemon
  - China seeks regional power, not global supremacy
32. 6 MAR 2026
  ALL-IN WITH CHAMATH, JASON, SACKS & FRIEDBERG
  - China's military buildup greatest in history
33. 9 MAR 2026
  MACRO MUSINGS WITH DAVID BECKWORTH
  - China's demographic decline dims renminbi prospects
34. 9 MAR 2026
  ALL-IN WITH CHAMATH, JASON, SACKS & FRIEDBERG
  - China's rapid rise as a manufacturing and tech power
11 MAR 2026
MONETARY MATTERS WITH JACK FARLEY
- Industrial policy and public research are essential · THIS IDEA
19 EPISODES BETWEEN · 21 MENTIONS
1. 12 MAR 2026
  THE JULIA LA ROCHE SHOW · 2 MENTIONS
  - China won the trade war at immense economic cost
  - China's growth from liberalization, not central planning
2. 14 MAR 2026
  SMARTERMARKETS
  - China prioritizes energy security over decarbonization
3. 25 MAR 2026
  FORWARD GUIDANCE
  - Geopolitical AI race: US vs China
4. 26 MAR 2026
  THE GRANT WILLIAMS PODCAST
  - American hegemony in terminal decline
5. 1 APR 2026
  THE JULIA LA ROCHE SHOW
  - US-China prisoner exchange of goods
6. 6 APR 2026
  MACRO MUSINGS WITH DAVID BECKWORTH
  - China's export wave threatens global development paths
7. 6 APR 2026
  ALL-IN WITH CHAMATH, JASON, SACKS & FRIEDBERG
  - Reindustrialization as the path to US prosperity
8. 7 APR 2026
  FORWARD GUIDANCE · 2 MENTIONS
  - China's energy security stronger than US allies
  - China's shift from 'wolf warrior' to pragmatic partner
9. 9 APR 2026
  WEALTHION - BE FINANCIALLY RESILIENT
  - China's shift from market share to profits aids US miners
10. 15 APR 2026
  ODD LOTS
  - Asia re-evaluating US reliability, seeking insulation
11. 15 APR 2026
  PALISADES GOLD RADIO
  - Europe's geopolitical crossroads: cooperate with East
12. 20 APR 2026
  THE TWENTY MINUTE VC
  - AI as a commercial and economic race
13. 22 APR 2026
  ODD LOTS
  - EV adoption divergence: China leads, US lags
14. 23 APR 2026
  THE ACQUIRERS PODCAST
  - Chinese EV makers face US brand barrier
15. 24 APR 2026
  ODD LOTS
  - China's Latin America trade: commodities for cheap goods
16. 1 AUG 2026 · 2W AGO
  PLANET MICROCAP PODCAST
  - Rare earths: China's cost advantage gone
17. 2 AUG 2026 · 2W AGO
  PROF G MARKETS
  - China's rise as a sophisticated, autocratic superpower
18. 3 AUG 2026 · 2W AGO
  ODD LOTS
  - China's 80% tungsten supply dominance
19. 5 AUG 2026 · 2W AGO
  A16Z PODCAST
  - China's critical minerals talent advantage
5 AUG 2026 · 2W AGO
ALL-IN WITH CHAMATH, JASON, SACKS & FRIEDBERG
- US shipbuilding capacity lags China 230-to-1
6 AUG 2026 · 2W AGO
COMMODITY CULTURE · 2 MENTIONS
- China's runaway entrepreneurial train
- US disengagement as path to renewal
8 AUG 2026 · 1W AGO
THE TWENTY MINUTE VC
- China's regulatory speed advantage
10 AUG 2026 · 1W AGO
THE TWENTY MINUTE VC
- US compute advantage over China is temporary
13 AUG 2026 · 5D AGO
ALL-IN WITH CHAMATH, JASON, SACKS & FRIEDBERG
- Build an economic bloc to isolate China
17 AUG 2026 · YESTERDAY
ANIMAL SPIRITS
- Geopolitics weaponizing China's material dominance

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