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Annuity risk from private credit exposure

The bear case was made that annuities from insurers like Athene are at risk if private credit investments on their asset side blow up, as these illiquid assets are mismatched with immediate annuity liabilities.

Chris Whalenon The Julia La Roche Show

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CONTESTED · 147 MENTIONS · 87 EPISODES · 31 SHOWS

24 JUL 2025 — 16 AUG 2026 · 2D AGO

79 SUPPORT · 33 CHALLENGE · 2 REPEAT · 33 MENTIONED

24 JUL 2025 · FIRST HEARD
THE ACQUIRERS PODCAST
- Private equity faces tricky exit environment
13 EPISODES BETWEEN · 19 MENTIONS · 27 NOT KEPT
1. 27 EPISODES NOT SHOWN
2. 10 FEB 2026
  THE INSIGHT BY OAKTREE CAPITAL · 3 MENTIONS
3. 10 FEB 2026
  THE LONG VIEW
  - Credit cracks likely in private, not public, markets
4. 11 FEB 2026
  ANIMAL SPIRITS · 2 MENTIONS
  - Private credit exposed to software downturn
  - Blackstone a screaming buy amid overreaction · CHALLENGES
5. 17 FEB 2026
  THE JULIA LA ROCHE SHOW
  - Private equity and credit overpaying for assets
6. 25 FEB 2026
  THE COMPOUND AND FRIENDS · 2 MENTIONS
  - Private credit faces a pre-crisis reckoning
  - Contrarian case for battered private equity · CHALLENGES
7. 25 FEB 2026
  ANIMAL SPIRITS
  - Private credit faces a crisis of confidence
8. 28 FEB 2026
  THE JULIA LA ROCHE SHOW
  - Private credit's taxpayer-subsidized funding
9. 4 MAR 2026
  THE COMPOUND AND FRIENDS · 2 MENTIONS
  - Private credit's 2022 windfall was unique
  - Private credit shakeout favors good risk managers · CHALLENGES
10. 4 MAR 2026
  ANIMAL SPIRITS
  - Private credit outflows crush PE firm stocks
11. 4 MAR 2026
  THE ALPHA EXCHANGE
  - Private credit's 'vol laundering' as a feature
12. 6 MAR 2026
  FORWARD GUIDANCE
  - Private credit as a source of hidden risk
13. 6 MAR 2026
  THE COMPOUND AND FRIENDS · 2 MENTIONS
  - Private credit sell-off not the next subprime · CHALLENGES
  - Private credit as the potential crisis epicenter
14. 7 MAR 2026
  THE POMP PODCAST
  - Run on private credit funds underway
7 MAR 2026
THE JULIA LA ROCHE SHOW
- Annuity risk from private credit exposure · THIS IDEA
39 EPISODES BETWEEN · 65 MENTIONS
1. 11 MAR 2026 · CHALLENGES
  ANIMAL SPIRITS · 4 MENTIONS
  - Private credit not in a bubble
  - Software sector defaults manageable for lenders
  - Evergreen fund liquidity management is key
  - Private credit's 2008-2010 return dynamic
2. 16 MAR 2026
  REAL VISION DAILY BRIEFING
  - Private credit facing a reckoning on marks
3. 17 MAR 2026
  THE KNOWLEDGE PROJECT
  - Prudent, long-term, non-recourse financing strategy
4. 17 MAR 2026
  THE COMPOUND AND FRIENDS · 3 MENTIONS
  - Cliff Water at the center of private credit scrutiny
  - The worst loans are made in the best times
  - Private credit marks are all wrong
5. 18 MAR 2026
  THE POMP PODCAST
  - Private equity faces a 2025-26 refinancing reckoning
6. 19 MAR 2026 · CHALLENGES
  THE ACQUIRERS PODCAST
  - Private credit hysteria overblown versus reality
7. 19 MAR 2026
  EXCESS RETURNS · 2 MENTIONS
  - Private market marks are not real
  - Private credit collapse before private equity
8. 19 MAR 2026
  MACROVOICES
  - Private credit's opaque risk echoes subprime
9. 20 MAR 2026 · CHALLENGES
  BUSINESS BREAKDOWNS · 3 MENTIONS
  - Yield segment as Apollo's growth powerhouse
  - Private credit evolving beyond sponsor-backed LBOs
  - Biggest risk is return degradation, not systemic fallout
10. 20 MAR 2026
  THE COMPOUND AND FRIENDS
  - Private credit faces a fundraising chill
11. 23 MAR 2026 · CHALLENGES
  GOLDMAN SACHS EXCHANGES · 6 MENTIONS
  - Private credit's illiquidity premium
  - Private credit's software exposure: insulated by credit structure
  - Retail private credit outflows: contained, not systemic
  - Caution on software ARR loans
  - Institutional private credit: opportunity as spreads widen
  - Junior capital strategies to benefit from refinancing needs
12. 24 MAR 2026
  THE MEMO BY HOWARD MARKS · 2 MENTIONS
  - Private credit's evolution from niche to mainstream
  - Balanced multi-asset credit solutions over single products
13. 25 MAR 2026
  ANIMAL SPIRITS
  - Private credit problems are slow-moving, not catastrophic
14. 26 MAR 2026
  THE RATIONAL REMINDER PODCAST · 3 MENTIONS
  - Private equity's insurance captive risk loop
  - Market punishing private asset managers' stocks
  - Private markets' volatility laundering illusion
15. 26 MAR 2026
  EXCESS RETURNS · 3 MENTIONS
  - Private credit's multi-layered liquidity defenses · CHALLENGES
  - AI disruption risk in private credit software lending
  - Key due diligence pillars for private credit funds
16. 29 MAR 2026
  MONETARY MATTERS WITH JACK FARLEY · 2 MENTIONS
  - Private credit semi-liquid fund redemption caps
  - Private equity riskier than private credit
17. 30 MAR 2026
  CAPITAL ALLOCATORS · 4 MENTIONS
  - Private credit faces a redemption-driven liquidity crunch
  - CLO equity cheap on sector stress · CHALLENGES
  - Software (SaaS) sector is a key default risk
  - Drawdown funds as the best private credit structure
18. 31 MAR 2026
  THE JULIA LA ROCHE SHOW
  - Private credit as this cycle's subprime
19. 31 MAR 2026
  GOLDMAN SACHS EXCHANGES
  - Private credit as a knowledge-based extension of private equity
20. 31 MAR 2026
  THE ALPHA EXCHANGE
  - Private credit faces liquidity mismatch risk
21. 1 APR 2026
  ANIMAL SPIRITS
  - Private credit faces a liquidity reckoning
22. 3 APR 2026
  FORWARD GUIDANCE
  - Credit distress is a major underlying issue
23. 6 APR 2026
  ANIMAL SPIRITS
  - Private credit risks: illiquidity & software concentration
24. 6 APR 2026
  THE COMPOUND AND FRIENDS · 3 MENTIONS
  - Private credit valuations are manager-marked fiction
  - Software loans are the canary in the coal mine
  - The fuse leads to a $10T life insurance bomb
25. 8 APR 2026
  ANIMAL SPIRITS
  - Private credit fund redemption crisis
26. 8 APR 2026
  MONETARY MATTERS WITH JACK FARLEY · 3 MENTIONS
  - BDCs offer structural benefits for offshore capital
  - Corporate opportunistic credit: a 9/10 opportunity · CHALLENGES
  - Private credit is a leveraged asset class
27. 9 APR 2026
  THE MEMO BY HOWARD MARKS
  - Direct lending faces a credit cycle reckoning
28. 13 APR 2026
  FINTECH INSIDER PODCAST BY 11:FS
  - Private credit market's hidden risks
29. 18 APR 2026
  MONETARY MATTERS WITH JACK FARLEY
  - Regional banks more vulnerable to private credit losses
30. 21 APR 2026
  THE JULIA LA ROCHE SHOW
  - Systemic crisis brewing in sequestered capital
31. 21 APR 2026
  THOUGHTFUL MONEY
  - Private credit stress as a potential public market opportunity
32. 22 APR 2026
  GOLDMAN SACHS EXCHANGES
  - Private credit faces AI-driven disruption cycle
33. 24 APR 2026 · CHALLENGES
  THE BUSINESS BREW
  - Private credit sell-off on contained software risk
34. 22 JUL 2026 · 4W AGO
  EURODOLLAR UNIVERSITY
  - Private credit slowdown threatens debt refinancing cycles
35. 23 JUL 2026 · 4W AGO
  THE JULIA LA ROCHE SHOW
  - Credit distress threatens regional banks and auto debt
36. 26 JUL 2026 · 3W AGO
  THOUGHTFUL MONEY
  - Rising credit stress in private markets
37. 26 JUL 2026 · 3W AGO
  MOTLEY FOOL MONEY
  - Private credit carries structural subprime-like systemic risks
38. 31 JUL 2026 · 3W AGO
  ODD LOTS
  - Private credit valuations lack transparency for regulators
39. 5 AUG 2026 · 2W AGO
  CAPITAL ALLOCATORS
  - Private equity's next leverage-illiquidity test
7 AUG 2026 · 2W AGO
EURODOLLAR UNIVERSITY · 2 MENTIONS
- Credit cycle downturn raises stock market crash risk
- Private credit fraud reveals systemic underwriting failures
9 AUG 2026 · 1W AGO
EURODOLLAR UNIVERSITY
- Mortgage stress signals credit cycle downturn
11 AUG 2026 · 1W AGO
THE COMPOUND AND FRIENDS
- Private equity/credit blowup fears overblown
12 AUG 2026 · 6D AGO
EURODOLLAR UNIVERSITY
- Credit cycle stress appearing in financial plumbing
15 AUG 2026 · 3D AGO
THE JULIA LA ROCHE SHOW · 2 MENTIONS
- Private credit demise previewed by 777 Partners
- Insurance as private credit's balance sheet risk
16 AUG 2026 · 2D AGO
MONETARY MATTERS WITH JACK FARLEY
- Private label credit ratings risk

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